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		<title>By: Is Catholicism meant to be a ritualistic religion &#171; Rock Of Faith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Is Catholicism meant to be a ritualistic religion &#171; Rock Of Faith</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: wadestonge</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Sep 2011 08:13:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Both sides are right. 

It was a beautiful answer from a man who had a childlike faith and love for his spiritual mother. It was also a true, albeit partial and incomplete answer. 

On the other hand, considering the particular audience, it was a horrible answer. You have to think about how it comes across, just as Jesus always did - as one poster said, a little training in rhetoric would have been beneficial. 

But Mary&#039;s right about the root problem - lack of catechesis and formation. If all it took was the old, &quot;If you died today, do you know where you&#039;d go?&quot; to get this guy to question his Catholic faith and lead him on the path to forsaking the sacraments, then obviously there was something a little defective in his Catholic catechesis, apologetics, formation, and as a result, his Catholic convictions. Isn&#039;t that obvious?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Both sides are right. </p>
<p>It was a beautiful answer from a man who had a childlike faith and love for his spiritual mother. It was also a true, albeit partial and incomplete answer. </p>
<p>On the other hand, considering the particular audience, it was a horrible answer. You have to think about how it comes across, just as Jesus always did &#8211; as one poster said, a little training in rhetoric would have been beneficial. </p>
<p>But Mary&#8217;s right about the root problem &#8211; lack of catechesis and formation. If all it took was the old, &#8220;If you died today, do you know where you&#8217;d go?&#8221; to get this guy to question his Catholic faith and lead him on the path to forsaking the sacraments, then obviously there was something a little defective in his Catholic catechesis, apologetics, formation, and as a result, his Catholic convictions. Isn&#8217;t that obvious?</p>
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		<title>By: Theodore Kobernick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Theodore Kobernick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Sep 2011 08:03:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for a most stimulating article, Mary.
There are all flavors of Catholics, and even more flavors of Protestants.  It&#039;s not easy to generalize.
But if ANYONE asks us a question where it is appropriate to cite Jesus by name as our Savior, it is appropriate to name him.  We might do well to recall the second verse of 1 Corinthians: &quot;To the church of God in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus and called to be holy, together with those everywhere who call on the name of out Lord Jesus Christ -- their Lord and ours.&quot;  
Moreover, we must not fear to acknowledge Jesus to anyone in &quot;this adulterous and sinful generation&quot;: &quot;If anyone is ashamed of me and my words in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of Man will be ashamed of him when he comes in his Father&#039;s glorywith the holy angels.&quot; (Mark 8:38).  I assure you that too many Protestants (as well as Catholics) fear the disapproval of men, so they do not risk becoming fools for Christ.
As I review some of the earlier comments, it strikes me that it make no sense for a Catholic to set Mary over against Jesus!
May I suggest an approach which might begin to open a Protestant mind regarding Mary?  If you will ask Protestants whether they ever pray for blessings on another person, or whether they ask others to pray for them, most Protestants will agree that they do intercede or ask intercession from others.  (If they do not believe in intercession, it&#039;s probably useless to point out such passages as Romans 15:31, where Paul asks for intercessory prayer.)  Next, point out that Jesus himself said of the Father, &quot;He is not the God of the dead, but of the living, for to him all are alive.&quot; (Luke 20:38)  Now, you might be in a position to point out that Mary is living, not dead, and that you are asking her to intercede for you, just as they sometimes ask other Christians to intercede for them; and that you can&#039;t imagine anyone else being closer to Jesus than his mother.
This gentle approach might open a mind which is not utterly closed.  I pray it succeeds, and that it draws the Lord&#039;s people closer together.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for a most stimulating article, Mary.<br />
There are all flavors of Catholics, and even more flavors of Protestants.  It&#8217;s not easy to generalize.<br />
But if ANYONE asks us a question where it is appropriate to cite Jesus by name as our Savior, it is appropriate to name him.  We might do well to recall the second verse of 1 Corinthians: &#8220;To the church of God in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus and called to be holy, together with those everywhere who call on the name of out Lord Jesus Christ &#8212; their Lord and ours.&#8221;<br />
Moreover, we must not fear to acknowledge Jesus to anyone in &#8220;this adulterous and sinful generation&#8221;: &#8220;If anyone is ashamed of me and my words in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of Man will be ashamed of him when he comes in his Father&#8217;s glorywith the holy angels.&#8221; (Mark 8:38).  I assure you that too many Protestants (as well as Catholics) fear the disapproval of men, so they do not risk becoming fools for Christ.<br />
As I review some of the earlier comments, it strikes me that it make no sense for a Catholic to set Mary over against Jesus!<br />
May I suggest an approach which might begin to open a Protestant mind regarding Mary?  If you will ask Protestants whether they ever pray for blessings on another person, or whether they ask others to pray for them, most Protestants will agree that they do intercede or ask intercession from others.  (If they do not believe in intercession, it&#8217;s probably useless to point out such passages as Romans 15:31, where Paul asks for intercessory prayer.)  Next, point out that Jesus himself said of the Father, &#8220;He is not the God of the dead, but of the living, for to him all are alive.&#8221; (Luke 20:38)  Now, you might be in a position to point out that Mary is living, not dead, and that you are asking her to intercede for you, just as they sometimes ask other Christians to intercede for them; and that you can&#8217;t imagine anyone else being closer to Jesus than his mother.<br />
This gentle approach might open a mind which is not utterly closed.  I pray it succeeds, and that it draws the Lord&#8217;s people closer together.</p>
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		<title>By: arkanabar</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Aug 2011 16:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mary, I think you have a point about ecumenicism.  It helps to speak the language of the people you are trying to reach.
I&#039;m a cradle/revert in the heart of Billy Graham territory.  I almost never am asked about my faith, but if I am, I plan to say, &quot;I am Catholic, and Christ is the source and summit of the Catholic faith.&quot;  I bear always in mind Abp. Fulton Sheen&#039;s admonition that there probably are not a hundred people in the US who hate the Church, and expect reasonable people to let me translate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mary, I think you have a point about ecumenicism.  It helps to speak the language of the people you are trying to reach.<br />
I&#8217;m a cradle/revert in the heart of Billy Graham territory.  I almost never am asked about my faith, but if I am, I plan to say, &#8220;I am Catholic, and Christ is the source and summit of the Catholic faith.&#8221;  I bear always in mind Abp. Fulton Sheen&#8217;s admonition that there probably are not a hundred people in the US who hate the Church, and expect reasonable people to let me translate.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Aug 2011 13:40:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is the crux of the problem, isn&#039;t it jflare?  There are some who do not want to listen, but rather who want to convert the Catholic to heretical belief.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is the crux of the problem, isn&#8217;t it jflare?  There are some who do not want to listen, but rather who want to convert the Catholic to heretical belief.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://catholiclane.com/catholics-please-say-something-about-jesus/#comment-2399</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Aug 2011 13:39:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mary, it is truly ironic that you state you received a lambasting.  The reason is that you are lambasting this man&#039;s personal response to God from the question brought out in your article to make your point - Catholics ought to talk about Jesus.  The difference is that you are here to defend yourself, but this man is not.  Perhaps there&#039;s a better way to make this point that dragging a dead man&#039;s name through the mud?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mary, it is truly ironic that you state you received a lambasting.  The reason is that you are lambasting this man&#8217;s personal response to God from the question brought out in your article to make your point &#8211; Catholics ought to talk about Jesus.  The difference is that you are here to defend yourself, but this man is not.  Perhaps there&#8217;s a better way to make this point that dragging a dead man&#8217;s name through the mud?</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Aug 2011 13:16:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If this man is aware of it or not, saying what he did about Mary is implicitly saying much about Jesus, because Mary is Theotokos who was immaculately conceived, gave birth and nurtured her Son, fully participates in His mission, was assumed body and soul into heaven and reigns as the Queen Mother.

I don&#039;t find the man being 80 years a Catholic and yet his son had a Protestant funeral to be relevant.  He died and cannot be faulted for where his funeral was held.  Since his son was attending this Protestant church and since he was attending with his son, this is no surprise.

Moreover, the nature of the question, “I finally asked him one day, ‘If you died and stood before the Lord and He asked you why He should let you into heaven, what would you say?’&quot;, requests this man&#039;s answer.  Since he is speaking in the first person to God, his answer, “I just ask the Virgin Mary to pray for me,” is telling.  Let&#039;s evaluate it.

His answer first brings forth that he is not guilty of the sin of presumption.  The very question asked seems to expect some sort of presumption.  Prayers for the Virgin implies he sees himself as a wretched sinner.  In what way is this attitude different than St, Francis of Assisi or any other of the saints?  The answer is, it&#039;s not different, his attendance at a Protestant church aside, for we are evaluating his answer.  Mary is Queen Mother and as such, asking for Mary&#039;s prayers are quite noteworthy, for it has always been Mary&#039;s role to bring us to Jesus.

Surely there will be objections about the failure of this Catholic man by attending a Protestant church, having a Protestant funeral, etc.  There&#039;s no doubt the man was far from a model Catholic in judging what the article reveals.  Be that as it may, the man&#039;s answer which is what is being criticized in the article, is actually the best thing about the man as you have revealed him, in my opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If this man is aware of it or not, saying what he did about Mary is implicitly saying much about Jesus, because Mary is Theotokos who was immaculately conceived, gave birth and nurtured her Son, fully participates in His mission, was assumed body and soul into heaven and reigns as the Queen Mother.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t find the man being 80 years a Catholic and yet his son had a Protestant funeral to be relevant.  He died and cannot be faulted for where his funeral was held.  Since his son was attending this Protestant church and since he was attending with his son, this is no surprise.</p>
<p>Moreover, the nature of the question, “I finally asked him one day, ‘If you died and stood before the Lord and He asked you why He should let you into heaven, what would you say?’&#8221;, requests this man&#8217;s answer.  Since he is speaking in the first person to God, his answer, “I just ask the Virgin Mary to pray for me,” is telling.  Let&#8217;s evaluate it.</p>
<p>His answer first brings forth that he is not guilty of the sin of presumption.  The very question asked seems to expect some sort of presumption.  Prayers for the Virgin implies he sees himself as a wretched sinner.  In what way is this attitude different than St, Francis of Assisi or any other of the saints?  The answer is, it&#8217;s not different, his attendance at a Protestant church aside, for we are evaluating his answer.  Mary is Queen Mother and as such, asking for Mary&#8217;s prayers are quite noteworthy, for it has always been Mary&#8217;s role to bring us to Jesus.</p>
<p>Surely there will be objections about the failure of this Catholic man by attending a Protestant church, having a Protestant funeral, etc.  There&#8217;s no doubt the man was far from a model Catholic in judging what the article reveals.  Be that as it may, the man&#8217;s answer which is what is being criticized in the article, is actually the best thing about the man as you have revealed him, in my opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: Maurice Blumberg</title>
		<link>http://catholiclane.com/catholics-please-say-something-about-jesus/#comment-2274</link>
		<dc:creator>Maurice Blumberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jul 2011 19:05:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mary,

I thought it was a very good article. But I think the argument should not be over what you think about the centrality of Christ in our salvation and in evangelization, but what the Church teaches - which is very clear. Below, are some quotes from Pope Paul VI and Pope John Paul II. Are those that disagree with your article willing to disagree with what these two Catholic men of God have taught in their writings and teachings. 

Paul VI, Evangelization in the Modern World, Evangelii, Nuntiando 

•&quot;Evangelism will always contain - as the foundation, center, and at the same time the summit of its dynamism - a clear proclamation that, in Jesus Christ…salvation is offered to all men, as a gift of God&#039;s grace and mercy.&quot; 

•&quot;We wish to confirm once more that the task of evangelizing all people constitutes the essential mission of the Church.  It is a task and mission which the vast and profound changes of present day society make all the more urgent.  Evangelizing is in fact the grace and vocation proper to the Church, her deepest identity.  She exists in order to evangelize…&quot; 
 

John Paul II, &quot;The Mission of Christ the Redeemer, Redemtoris Missio

·        “The Kingdom of God is not a concept, a doctrine, or program subject to free interpretation, but is before all else a person with the face of Jesus of Nazareth, the image of the invisible God.  If the Kingdom is separated from Jesus, it is no longer the kingdom of God which he revealed…&quot; 

·        “No believer in Christ, no institution of the Church can avoid this supreme duty: to proclaim Christ to all peoples.”

·        &quot;An essential characteristic of this missionary spirituality is intimate communion with Christ.&quot;

·        &quot;It is not possible to bear witness to Christ without reflecting his image, which is made alive in us by grace and the power of the Holy Spirit.&quot;  

·        &quot;The new evangelism is not a matter of merely passing on doctrine, but rather of a personal and profound meeting with the Savior.&quot;

·        &quot;The moment has come to commit all of the Church&#039;s energies to a new evangelism [a reevangelization of Christian communities that have lost their original vigor] and to the mission ad gentes (the Church&#039;s mission &quot;to the nations,&quot; regions not yet touched by Christianity).&quot;

 

Other Quotes of John Paul II on the Centrality of Christ
·        &quot;Sometimes even Catholics have lost or never had the chance to experience Christ personally; not Christ as a mere &#039;paradigm&#039;, but the Living Lord: &#039;the way, the truth, and the life’ (John 14:6).&quot;  John Paul II&#039;s address to American Bishops

·        &quot;Evangelism cannot be new in its content since its very theme is always the one Gospel given in Jesus Christ.&quot; John Paul II, &quot;The Task of the Latin American Bishops,&quot; Origins 12, March 24, 1983.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mary,</p>
<p>I thought it was a very good article. But I think the argument should not be over what you think about the centrality of Christ in our salvation and in evangelization, but what the Church teaches &#8211; which is very clear. Below, are some quotes from Pope Paul VI and Pope John Paul II. Are those that disagree with your article willing to disagree with what these two Catholic men of God have taught in their writings and teachings. </p>
<p>Paul VI, Evangelization in the Modern World, Evangelii, Nuntiando </p>
<p>•&#8221;Evangelism will always contain &#8211; as the foundation, center, and at the same time the summit of its dynamism &#8211; a clear proclamation that, in Jesus Christ…salvation is offered to all men, as a gift of God&#8217;s grace and mercy.&#8221; </p>
<p>•&#8221;We wish to confirm once more that the task of evangelizing all people constitutes the essential mission of the Church.  It is a task and mission which the vast and profound changes of present day society make all the more urgent.  Evangelizing is in fact the grace and vocation proper to the Church, her deepest identity.  She exists in order to evangelize…&#8221; </p>
<p>John Paul II, &#8220;The Mission of Christ the Redeemer, Redemtoris Missio</p>
<p>·        “The Kingdom of God is not a concept, a doctrine, or program subject to free interpretation, but is before all else a person with the face of Jesus of Nazareth, the image of the invisible God.  If the Kingdom is separated from Jesus, it is no longer the kingdom of God which he revealed…&#8221; </p>
<p>·        “No believer in Christ, no institution of the Church can avoid this supreme duty: to proclaim Christ to all peoples.”</p>
<p>·        &#8220;An essential characteristic of this missionary spirituality is intimate communion with Christ.&#8221;</p>
<p>·        &#8220;It is not possible to bear witness to Christ without reflecting his image, which is made alive in us by grace and the power of the Holy Spirit.&#8221;  </p>
<p>·        &#8220;The new evangelism is not a matter of merely passing on doctrine, but rather of a personal and profound meeting with the Savior.&#8221;</p>
<p>·        &#8220;The moment has come to commit all of the Church&#8217;s energies to a new evangelism [a reevangelization of Christian communities that have lost their original vigor] and to the mission ad gentes (the Church&#8217;s mission &#8220;to the nations,&#8221; regions not yet touched by Christianity).&#8221;</p>
<p>Other Quotes of John Paul II on the Centrality of Christ<br />
·        &#8220;Sometimes even Catholics have lost or never had the chance to experience Christ personally; not Christ as a mere &#8216;paradigm&#8217;, but the Living Lord: &#8216;the way, the truth, and the life’ (John 14:6).&#8221;  John Paul II&#8217;s address to American Bishops</p>
<p>·        &#8220;Evangelism cannot be new in its content since its very theme is always the one Gospel given in Jesus Christ.&#8221; John Paul II, &#8220;The Task of the Latin American Bishops,&#8221; Origins 12, March 24, 1983.</p>
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		<title>By: neirboh</title>
		<link>http://catholiclane.com/catholics-please-say-something-about-jesus/#comment-2260</link>
		<dc:creator>neirboh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jul 2011 00:48:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh my.  I am a convert to the Faith.  For the last 15 years I have had the privilege of bringing the Eucharist to homebound Catholics.  During that time I have encountered many well-meaning evangelicals who seem to be fighting to bring their Catholic relatives out of the Catholic Church.  The elderly are often so vulnerable because they are dependent on these same people for companionship and care.  When I interact with these people, I am very sensitive to the differences we have in basic faith language.  For instance, most protestants equate &#039;praying to&#039; to worshiping.  That is why they think we worship Mary.  Mostly (right or wrong) I try to leave Mary out of the conversation.  When I get home again, I ask her intersession!  After all, she only wants to bring people to her son!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh my.  I am a convert to the Faith.  For the last 15 years I have had the privilege of bringing the Eucharist to homebound Catholics.  During that time I have encountered many well-meaning evangelicals who seem to be fighting to bring their Catholic relatives out of the Catholic Church.  The elderly are often so vulnerable because they are dependent on these same people for companionship and care.  When I interact with these people, I am very sensitive to the differences we have in basic faith language.  For instance, most protestants equate &#8216;praying to&#8217; to worshiping.  That is why they think we worship Mary.  Mostly (right or wrong) I try to leave Mary out of the conversation.  When I get home again, I ask her intersession!  After all, she only wants to bring people to her son!</p>
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		<title>By: GodsGadfly</title>
		<link>http://catholiclane.com/catholics-please-say-something-about-jesus/#comment-2238</link>
		<dc:creator>GodsGadfly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2011 07:56:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1.  Remember: many Catholics in America are descended from people who came here fleeing persecution.  Among the Irish, for example, I think you&#039;ll find a greater reluctance to speak publicly about the Faith than Italians or Spanish.
That said,
2.  I think it&#039;s the &quot;Name&quot; of Jesus that&#039;s at issue.  Catholics are extremely uncomfortable about referring to Our Dear Lord by Name, because we fear that even the reverent use of His Name in conversation borders on violating the Second Commandment.  Remember, we&#039;re also a religion that teaches that *EVERY* time you hear or mention Jesus&#039; name, you&#039;re supposed to bow and/or cross yourself. 
In conversation, we&#039;re more comfortable with &quot;Our Lord,&quot; or &quot;Our Savior,&quot; or another title than with His Name, and we think of casually saying His Name as one of those irreverent things Protestant Snake Handlers do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1.  Remember: many Catholics in America are descended from people who came here fleeing persecution.  Among the Irish, for example, I think you&#8217;ll find a greater reluctance to speak publicly about the Faith than Italians or Spanish.<br />
That said,<br />
2.  I think it&#8217;s the &#8220;Name&#8221; of Jesus that&#8217;s at issue.  Catholics are extremely uncomfortable about referring to Our Dear Lord by Name, because we fear that even the reverent use of His Name in conversation borders on violating the Second Commandment.  Remember, we&#8217;re also a religion that teaches that *EVERY* time you hear or mention Jesus&#8217; name, you&#8217;re supposed to bow and/or cross yourself.<br />
In conversation, we&#8217;re more comfortable with &#8220;Our Lord,&#8221; or &#8220;Our Savior,&#8221; or another title than with His Name, and we think of casually saying His Name as one of those irreverent things Protestant Snake Handlers do.</p>
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