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		<title>By: Mary Kochan</title>
		<link>http://catholiclane.com/father-john-corapi-and-the-state-of-due-process-for-accused-priests/#comment-1737</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary Kochan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jun 2011 12:19:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have edited a couple of comments and I have removed a couple.  This conversation is deteriorating into mere back and forth insults. So I am closing comments here. Thank you all for your perspectives.</description>
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		<title>By: Carlos Caso-Rosendi</title>
		<link>http://catholiclane.com/father-john-corapi-and-the-state-of-due-process-for-accused-priests/#comment-1732</link>
		<dc:creator>Carlos Caso-Rosendi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jun 2011 04:37:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If there was something canonically or evangelically wrong with his preaching one could safely ask: Why find fault with it now after 20 years? Was he ever disobedient? NO Did he ever warned that there were wolves in sheep&#039;s clothes among us, some in the hierarchy. YES HE DID. Was he lying? NO. I don&#039;t have the kind of information Fr. Corapi may have but I have two eyes and I can read (so far, I could use a good miracle there!) 

I could list a number of outrageous things that are public knowledge BTW just to illustrate the point. I know we all run the risk of being crucified, I&#039;ve been getting dirty looks at Mass in certain parishes because (I assume) of my big mouth. Things I have written have been questioned by some  that don&#039;t know that all in my writings is merely a regurgitation of something some of the Fathers, Doctors, or good philosophers of the Church have said at one point or another. So if what I write is bad, go to them with the complaint.

I know what Corapi has gone through. I experience it myself although in a lesser way. An old Spanish proverb says: &quot;Ladran, señal que cabalgamos&quot; (dogs bark, a sign we are galloping forth.) We can count on death, taxes, and the devil making trouble. What&#039;s new?

I wish someone would have been equally vicious with Marcial Maciel in the 1950&#039;s. It would have saved a lot of people a lot of aggravation.

Yes. Let us keep praying that God will turn this awful thing around for the glory of His Name.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If there was something canonically or evangelically wrong with his preaching one could safely ask: Why find fault with it now after 20 years? Was he ever disobedient? NO Did he ever warned that there were wolves in sheep&#8217;s clothes among us, some in the hierarchy. YES HE DID. Was he lying? NO. I don&#8217;t have the kind of information Fr. Corapi may have but I have two eyes and I can read (so far, I could use a good miracle there!) </p>
<p>I could list a number of outrageous things that are public knowledge BTW just to illustrate the point. I know we all run the risk of being crucified, I&#8217;ve been getting dirty looks at Mass in certain parishes because (I assume) of my big mouth. Things I have written have been questioned by some  that don&#8217;t know that all in my writings is merely a regurgitation of something some of the Fathers, Doctors, or good philosophers of the Church have said at one point or another. So if what I write is bad, go to them with the complaint.</p>
<p>I know what Corapi has gone through. I experience it myself although in a lesser way. An old Spanish proverb says: &#8220;Ladran, señal que cabalgamos&#8221; (dogs bark, a sign we are galloping forth.) We can count on death, taxes, and the devil making trouble. What&#8217;s new?</p>
<p>I wish someone would have been equally vicious with Marcial Maciel in the 1950&#8242;s. It would have saved a lot of people a lot of aggravation.</p>
<p>Yes. Let us keep praying that God will turn this awful thing around for the glory of His Name.</p>
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		<title>By: jflare29</title>
		<link>http://catholiclane.com/father-john-corapi-and-the-state-of-due-process-for-accused-priests/#comment-1731</link>
		<dc:creator>jflare29</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jun 2011 03:37:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OOH-RAH!!

Carlos, I don&#039;t believe the suggestions that (Father) John Corapi sought fame instead of humility.  I think he gained a huge following precisely because he demonstrated a willingness to be a straight shooter and tell us what we needed to know.
Given the number of people I saw go astray spiritually in the military--and in civilian life since--I truly have appreciated his stern frankness.

Let&#039;s just keep praying for him and everyone else.
We all need it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OOH-RAH!!</p>
<p>Carlos, I don&#8217;t believe the suggestions that (Father) John Corapi sought fame instead of humility.  I think he gained a huge following precisely because he demonstrated a willingness to be a straight shooter and tell us what we needed to know.<br />
Given the number of people I saw go astray spiritually in the military&#8211;and in civilian life since&#8211;I truly have appreciated his stern frankness.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s just keep praying for him and everyone else.<br />
We all need it.</p>
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		<title>By: Carlos Caso-Rosendi</title>
		<link>http://catholiclane.com/father-john-corapi-and-the-state-of-due-process-for-accused-priests/#comment-1730</link>
		<dc:creator>Carlos Caso-Rosendi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jun 2011 01:37:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please remember that Judas was a Bishop

Then remember that we owe ultimate obedience to God as per our well formed Catholic conscience. The Catholic Church is not the Third Reich.

I have been in the position of  being asked  for my assent to a heretical doctrine preached by a priest I met. I knew beyond any doubt that it was heresy. I did not obey his command which would have aided in the dispersion of said heresy. I don&#039;t think God believes I am disobedient because of that.

I do not know if Fr. Corapi is guilty of something or not. Neither do you. But I know that in 1998 when I wanted to be catechized and enter the Church NOT ONE PRIEST of the many I went to explained to me how was the process and how to move towards that goal. 

There was one priest that was too far and way too busy to help me and yet he helped me with books and on the phone. But I lived 500 miles from his parish so instruction there was impossible.

How did I get catechized? &lt;i&gt;I listened carefully to Fr. Corapi&#039;s excellent series on the Catechism of the Catholic Church&lt;/i&gt;. I went through that series at least twice. 

So I can honestly say that Fr. Corapi catechized me. In August 2001 I was received in the Church, a Thomist I was not but it was clear enough for one Archbishop that I could be baptized and confirmed in the same day. That I owe to EWTN and Fr. Corapi.

I don&#039;t forget those who do good to me. So in all fairness I fail to see how the good tree can give bad fruit all of a sudden. 

I suggest we all wait and pray for all those involved in this tragedy, especially for the person that hurled that accusation in what appears to be a case of true detraction if not pure defamation.

And let me add this: I have heard many homilies and talks in this 10 or 15 years and personally I am tired of hearing those bland, hard to understand, sterile discourses that can put a horse to sleep. I don&#039;t go to church to be entertained but I expect to learn something. Spiritu Sancto supplet  but I would like to advise to the priests reading these comments that Fr. Corapi moved people to action with his good words. 

If there was a cult of personality I do not think it was his fault. If he colored his beard so what? Do you want to find out how many monsignors wear a toupé? 

Pagola, Nolan, Arregui, and so many others have been teaching heresy for years and no one raised one finger to stop them until the Pope did (with some of them at least.) 

I had to put up with some &quot;masses&quot; myself that made me wonder if I had not walked into a different church by mistake. If Fr. Corapi was there I am sure those Masses would not have been so &quot;innovative.&quot;

In all fairness I see a lot of envy and resentment against Corapi and I don&#039;t blame him one bit for doing what is best for him. If he turns out to be innocent of all those charges he will get as a bonus the list of those who loved him and respected him and the list of those who resented and envied him.

Please forgive my frankness but we the lay people of the Catholic church are not fools. Many can &quot;see the game&quot; and trust that God is in charge but do not confuse our quiet acceptance of so many irregularities with the stupidity of the vulgar because stupid we are not.

I know envious resentment when I see it and I have seen a lot of it in the last week or so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please remember that Judas was a Bishop</p>
<p>Then remember that we owe ultimate obedience to God as per our well formed Catholic conscience. The Catholic Church is not the Third Reich.</p>
<p>I have been in the position of  being asked  for my assent to a heretical doctrine preached by a priest I met. I knew beyond any doubt that it was heresy. I did not obey his command which would have aided in the dispersion of said heresy. I don&#8217;t think God believes I am disobedient because of that.</p>
<p>I do not know if Fr. Corapi is guilty of something or not. Neither do you. But I know that in 1998 when I wanted to be catechized and enter the Church NOT ONE PRIEST of the many I went to explained to me how was the process and how to move towards that goal. </p>
<p>There was one priest that was too far and way too busy to help me and yet he helped me with books and on the phone. But I lived 500 miles from his parish so instruction there was impossible.</p>
<p>How did I get catechized? <i>I listened carefully to Fr. Corapi&#8217;s excellent series on the Catechism of the Catholic Church</i>. I went through that series at least twice. </p>
<p>So I can honestly say that Fr. Corapi catechized me. In August 2001 I was received in the Church, a Thomist I was not but it was clear enough for one Archbishop that I could be baptized and confirmed in the same day. That I owe to EWTN and Fr. Corapi.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t forget those who do good to me. So in all fairness I fail to see how the good tree can give bad fruit all of a sudden. </p>
<p>I suggest we all wait and pray for all those involved in this tragedy, especially for the person that hurled that accusation in what appears to be a case of true detraction if not pure defamation.</p>
<p>And let me add this: I have heard many homilies and talks in this 10 or 15 years and personally I am tired of hearing those bland, hard to understand, sterile discourses that can put a horse to sleep. I don&#8217;t go to church to be entertained but I expect to learn something. Spiritu Sancto supplet  but I would like to advise to the priests reading these comments that Fr. Corapi moved people to action with his good words. </p>
<p>If there was a cult of personality I do not think it was his fault. If he colored his beard so what? Do you want to find out how many monsignors wear a toupé? </p>
<p>Pagola, Nolan, Arregui, and so many others have been teaching heresy for years and no one raised one finger to stop them until the Pope did (with some of them at least.) </p>
<p>I had to put up with some &#8220;masses&#8221; myself that made me wonder if I had not walked into a different church by mistake. If Fr. Corapi was there I am sure those Masses would not have been so &#8220;innovative.&#8221;</p>
<p>In all fairness I see a lot of envy and resentment against Corapi and I don&#8217;t blame him one bit for doing what is best for him. If he turns out to be innocent of all those charges he will get as a bonus the list of those who loved him and respected him and the list of those who resented and envied him.</p>
<p>Please forgive my frankness but we the lay people of the Catholic church are not fools. Many can &#8220;see the game&#8221; and trust that God is in charge but do not confuse our quiet acceptance of so many irregularities with the stupidity of the vulgar because stupid we are not.</p>
<p>I know envious resentment when I see it and I have seen a lot of it in the last week or so.</p>
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		<title>By: Carlos Caso-Rosendi</title>
		<link>http://catholiclane.com/father-john-corapi-and-the-state-of-due-process-for-accused-priests/#comment-1729</link>
		<dc:creator>Carlos Caso-Rosendi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jun 2011 00:59:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ow, ow, ow! Since when defending oneself from the actual attacks of others constitutes detraction. Allow me to remind you (and I hope you are not a priest because you should know) that detraction is the gratuitous exposure of someone&#039;s faults. Now if I am accused of cooking the books by a fraudulent accountant who is my Catholic brother, I am not supposed to expose his fraudulent ways? Something in your theology needs a little dusting, sir.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ow, ow, ow! Since when defending oneself from the actual attacks of others constitutes detraction. Allow me to remind you (and I hope you are not a priest because you should know) that detraction is the gratuitous exposure of someone&#8217;s faults. Now if I am accused of cooking the books by a fraudulent accountant who is my Catholic brother, I am not supposed to expose his fraudulent ways? Something in your theology needs a little dusting, sir.</p>
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		<title>By: jflare29</title>
		<link>http://catholiclane.com/father-john-corapi-and-the-state-of-due-process-for-accused-priests/#comment-1728</link>
		<dc:creator>jflare29</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jun 2011 00:59:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Florin,
If you believe Lisa has spoken with hostility, I suggest you check your own attitude.  It&#039;s true enough that all priests have accountability to someone, but different orders and associations will have different rules they follow.  (Formerly Father) Corapi might not be accountable to SOLT or the Diocese of Corpus Christi in the manner you imply.
By the way, the former bishop of Corpus Christi has already commented that Corapi may have ample cause for the direction he&#039;s taken.

I suggest people cool it regarding Corapi for awhile.  From this weekend&#039;s events, it&#039;s pretty clear that neither his supporters nor his detractors have been convinced of much of anything.

I suggest we all cool it until we know more.
I suspect we haven&#039;t heard the last of John Corapi.

Thank heaven!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Florin,<br />
If you believe Lisa has spoken with hostility, I suggest you check your own attitude.  It&#8217;s true enough that all priests have accountability to someone, but different orders and associations will have different rules they follow.  (Formerly Father) Corapi might not be accountable to SOLT or the Diocese of Corpus Christi in the manner you imply.<br />
By the way, the former bishop of Corpus Christi has already commented that Corapi may have ample cause for the direction he&#8217;s taken.</p>
<p>I suggest people cool it regarding Corapi for awhile.  From this weekend&#8217;s events, it&#8217;s pretty clear that neither his supporters nor his detractors have been convinced of much of anything.</p>
<p>I suggest we all cool it until we know more.<br />
I suspect we haven&#8217;t heard the last of John Corapi.</p>
<p>Thank heaven!</p>
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		<title>By: jflare29</title>
		<link>http://catholiclane.com/father-john-corapi-and-the-state-of-due-process-for-accused-priests/#comment-1727</link>
		<dc:creator>jflare29</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jun 2011 00:54:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would suggest that you practice your own preaching.  Based on essentially circumstantial evidence, you&#039;ve pretty well tried and convicted (formerly Father) Corapi without a serious trial.  You&#039;ve also practically proclaimed that he&#039;s guilty of character defamation.
I don&#039;t believe that conforms to Christ&#039;s counsel to charity either.

If the courts discern that (formerly Father) Corapi&#039;s accuser committed no error, they&#039;ll most likely hold him accountable to the defamation.  Or she can.  If, however, the courts discern that she HAS, indeed, acted falsely, he has every right to seek justice by the courts.

May I comment that this sort of situation provides exactly the reason for why we have laws regarding these matters?
Eventually, the truth will come to the front and any guilty parties will be exposed.
I suggest you allow the process to work before you hammer him to the wall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would suggest that you practice your own preaching.  Based on essentially circumstantial evidence, you&#8217;ve pretty well tried and convicted (formerly Father) Corapi without a serious trial.  You&#8217;ve also practically proclaimed that he&#8217;s guilty of character defamation.<br />
I don&#8217;t believe that conforms to Christ&#8217;s counsel to charity either.</p>
<p>If the courts discern that (formerly Father) Corapi&#8217;s accuser committed no error, they&#8217;ll most likely hold him accountable to the defamation.  Or she can.  If, however, the courts discern that she HAS, indeed, acted falsely, he has every right to seek justice by the courts.</p>
<p>May I comment that this sort of situation provides exactly the reason for why we have laws regarding these matters?<br />
Eventually, the truth will come to the front and any guilty parties will be exposed.<br />
I suggest you allow the process to work before you hammer him to the wall.</p>
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		<title>By: florin</title>
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		<dc:creator>florin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jun 2011 00:13:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lisa, I said &#039;if&#039; a priest is in an order...and every priest IS, in fact, under the authority of the diocese in which he lives and he IS under authority to Rome and the teachings and disciplines of the Catholic Church...no priest is a priest in isolation, master unto himself...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lisa, I said &#8216;if&#8217; a priest is in an order&#8230;and every priest IS, in fact, under the authority of the diocese in which he lives and he IS under authority to Rome and the teachings and disciplines of the Catholic Church&#8230;no priest is a priest in isolation, master unto himself&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2011 23:52:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Florin and everyone else on this site might want to check out who Father Corapi is suppose to be obedeint to 

http://abyssum.wordpress.com/2011/06/18/a-few-thoughts-on-father-corapis-announcement-yesterday/


Words from the former Bishop of Corpus Christi Diocese:
&quot;What many of these hostile commentators seem to be unaware of is the fact that Father John Corapi does not belong to a religious order or congregation. He belongs to a Society of Apostolic Life. He is not a priest of the Diocese of Corpus Christi, he is incardinated in the Society of Our Lady of the Most Holy Trinity, a diocesan Society of Apostolic life that I established in the Diocese of Corpus Christi when I was the Ordinary of the Diocese. He has never held an assignment in the Diocese nor has he ever worked in the Diocese. Following his ordination in Rome in 1991 by Blessed Pope John Paul II he has ministered in many places, but not in the Diocese of Corpus Christi. With the permission of his superiors he established his media company in Montana and has lived there ever since. As a member of that Society (The Society of Our Lady of the Most Holy Trinity) Father John is not bound by a vow of poverty. He is bound by a promise of obedience to his superior, the General Priest Servant of the Society.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Florin and everyone else on this site might want to check out who Father Corapi is suppose to be obedeint to </p>
<p><a href="http://abyssum.wordpress.com/2011/06/18/a-few-thoughts-on-father-corapis-announcement-yesterday/" rel="nofollow">http://abyssum.wordpress.com/2011/06/18/a-few-thoughts-on-father-corapis-announcement-yesterday/</a></p>
<p>Words from the former Bishop of Corpus Christi Diocese:<br />
&#8220;What many of these hostile commentators seem to be unaware of is the fact that Father John Corapi does not belong to a religious order or congregation. He belongs to a Society of Apostolic Life. He is not a priest of the Diocese of Corpus Christi, he is incardinated in the Society of Our Lady of the Most Holy Trinity, a diocesan Society of Apostolic life that I established in the Diocese of Corpus Christi when I was the Ordinary of the Diocese. He has never held an assignment in the Diocese nor has he ever worked in the Diocese. Following his ordination in Rome in 1991 by Blessed Pope John Paul II he has ministered in many places, but not in the Diocese of Corpus Christi. With the permission of his superiors he established his media company in Montana and has lived there ever since. As a member of that Society (The Society of Our Lady of the Most Holy Trinity) Father John is not bound by a vow of poverty. He is bound by a promise of obedience to his superior, the General Priest Servant of the Society.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: kmtierney</title>
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		<dc:creator>kmtierney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2011 23:37:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And that is what we call in traditional moral theology the sin of detraction.  It is also akin to sliming a rape accuser that &quot;she wanted it, look at all the people she&#039;s slept with!&quot;

If you look at Fr. Corapi&#039;s site, most of his &quot;fans&quot; recognize this is a really really bad idea what he is threatening to do.  There&#039;s allegations of character defamation on her part.  If he goes through with this, it WILL be character defamation.

How does this match with the charity Christ counsels?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And that is what we call in traditional moral theology the sin of detraction.  It is also akin to sliming a rape accuser that &#8220;she wanted it, look at all the people she&#8217;s slept with!&#8221;</p>
<p>If you look at Fr. Corapi&#8217;s site, most of his &#8220;fans&#8221; recognize this is a really really bad idea what he is threatening to do.  There&#8217;s allegations of character defamation on her part.  If he goes through with this, it WILL be character defamation.</p>
<p>How does this match with the charity Christ counsels?</p>
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